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A Transitional Dilemma: Some Sex Changes Change Back-Again

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by Scott Stiffler
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In a perfect world, "people can adopt and discard identities according to the task at hand," Goldstein says. As it is, however, her multiple--some would say serial--transitions were met with just as much skepticism from the trans community as heterosexual society at large.

The first time around, "There was a lot of judgment when I decided I was not going to have the surgery. Somebody said, oh that’s right, you’re not serious about this." It seems everyone wants to up the body count of their team, and life changes interpreted as indecisiveness are a threat to unit cohesion.

Nancy Nangeroni is co-producer of Gender Vision, which seeks to inform and inspire positive social change by presenting educational video programming about gender diversity and social justice issues. She’s also hosted the radio program Gender Talk, which can be accessed at www.gendertalk.com.

Concerning negative reactions to gender detransition from those in the trans community, Nangeroni says "It may be upsetting to trans people who are struggling for their own right to transition, to see someone transitioning back as undermining the legitimacy of their own needs."

However, upon reflection, reasonable people who disagree often reach a consensus on the matter that "We all make mistakes, and also learn and grow. Who are we to say it’s not the right thing for someone to experience living as a gender opposite to their birth sex in order to learn that that isn’t the right thing for them?" As for societal prejudice, "I think people opposed to gender transition will seize on just about anything to oppose our free exercise of gender expression and identity."

Goldstein says that many who detransition do it relatively soon after they transition - because their decision was based on the belief that "once I transition, everything will be fixed; but you still haven’t figured out everything else in your life."

For Goldstein, the first transition from male to female "cleared me up to look at the other things in my life that weren’t working properly. I had other issues in my life, came about to twist and torque my life to fit the male gender role. Once I no longer felt that obligation, I am not happy in work, I don’t like the way I treat people. I used that as a stepping point to take care of my whole life."

Five years after living as a female, Goldstein "still didn’t feel right for everything I was doing. Parts of me still felt it was wrong. I never felt I was a woman trapped in a man’s body, though. I felt I had elements of both; elements of either extreme.

Living as a male again, she took the lessons learned and "tried to integrate them into the world I came from. I did that for another four years. When I went back to male, it was like an old familiar friend. Now I am a trumpet player who also knows how to play the saxophone."

Goldstein also cites loss of the male power dynamic as figuring into her decision to go back to her original gender identity. The status granted to men in the workplace and denied to her as a female was a revelation. She recalls a meeting she’d led shortly after transitioning to female. Before, as a man, "I commanded the center of the room."

As a female leading the meeting, "A bunch of people started interrupting me. Women talk about this all the time. I listened to this person who interrupting me and said that’s an interesting point, but I wasn’t’ finished talking. That’s the kind of thing a guy can say to a guy, but I now became a castrating bitch." Once living as a man again, she "was now more sensitive to the social interactions of these meetings. I became more sensitized to the people around me."

Ultimately, however, life as a man led her to feel that "This is still not right. It might be that neither is a perfect fit." She realized "You’re going to have to squeeze and push in both roles; but which one feels like you are straining the least? For me, it was the female role."
Scott Stiffler is a New York City based writer and comedian who has performed stand-up, improv, and sketch comedy. His show, "Sammy’s at The Palace. . .at Don’t Tell Mama"---a spoof of Liza Minnelli’s 2008 NYC performance at The Palace Theatre, recently had a NYC run. He must eat twice his weight in fish every day, or he becomes radioactive.


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  • Anonymous, 2009-03-17 06:46:56

    There’s still a huge blind-spot in the general public’s conception of gender. Transsexuality challenges patriarchy and the notion of male dominance and superiority much more than it does gender as such, and because of that the essential idea of an absolute gender binary remains. From a personal point of view, I think many people that transition multiple times are actually probably androgyne or neutrois or other forms of transgender, but in the same way that transsexual people experience the pressure to conform to their birth sex, transgender people experience the pressure to conform to one or the other and stick with it. The idea that gender and sexuality is fluid in some people, and that that is as it should be, is still very alien to most people. The fact is though that there are people who identify with both male and female equally, or with neither one at all, or varyingly with either one. It’s too bad that so many transsexual people are quick to attack those identities, or judge detransitions so harshly, when really, those people are on their own path of self-truth, and deserve the same support and acceptance as anybody. Mina Magpie.

  • Anonymous, 2009-03-17 11:01:47

    Anonymous, I’ve never heard transsexual people attack gender fluidity except when some gender fluid/genderqueer people try to characterize us as "guardians of binary gender". I have no issue with non-binary gender or gender fluid people and support their identities and expression. However, I don’t want them making assumptions about who I am and how my trans identity (a straight woman) automatically means I’ve "bought" into the binary. Nor do I think most cases of detransition have anything to do with fluidity. More often, they’re the result of familial, finanacial, personal and social pressure overwhelming the transitioner. As in Ms. Goldstein’s case, many detransitioners end up retransitioning later on when they feel even more desperate in their birth gender or grounded and stable enough to attempt it a second time. One of the biggest issues with people who detransition is those who transition for the wrong reasons, e.g. confusing gender and sexuality or some mental conditions on top of a certain amount of gender dysphoria. Believe me, Mike Penner received an outpouring of support and empathy from the trans community who know how hard it is to find one’s true self and the tough passage to get there.

  • Anonymous, 2009-03-17 23:49:27

    I was simply responding to Ms. Goldstein’s comment: ... "This is still not right. It might be that neither is a perfect fit." She realized "You’re going to have to squeeze and push in both roles ... and I wasn’t attacking transsexuality either. I was merely commenting on how detransition and gender fluidity is perceived by most of the general public along with many transsexual people, though obviously not the poster who responded to my comment. Mina Magpie.

  • Anonymous, 2009-03-19 08:17:42

    I can’t believe the Edge is re-printing this article. This is basically the same article that ran in the USA Today a little while ago. It greatly exaggerates the situation. This article is flawed. This article is flawed in many respects. The only thing I more or less agree with is indirect admission that 98% of transitions are successful. The author fails to mention that before medically assisted transition that there weren’t any successful treatments for people born transsexual. And before I go any further: YES people are born transsexual. For those of you open minded enough read evidence, read this webpage, especially the section called "Gender Basics". [url="http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html"]http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html[/url] Okay. So now you know that gender identity is inborn and unchangeable. That is why transsexual people transition in the first place.... Because they have a brain-body mismatch. By changing the body to match the mind and assuming a gender appropriate role in society a person can find happiness and fulfillment. Back to the article. A major flaw in the article is that it concentrates only on the 2% of people who "fail" transition. As I said before this ignores the 98% that are successful. In addition when you consider all the discrimination and prejudice that these people are exposed to it’s frankly amazing that 98% succeed. If society was more understanding and tolerant the success rate would surely approach 100%. Nobody transions overnight, it is a long, regimented process. Your author fails to mention that. Another major flaw has to do with the person referred to as "Mike Penner". The article implies that this person made a mistake. However, that judgment is premature. We have no idea how this persons journey will turn out yet. It is quite common for people to transition more than once before being successful. A famous example is transgender activist Donna Rose and I know a few others personally. The point is it is an invalid argument to use this case to brow beat others because Christine Daniels may yet be successful. In summary I don’t think shining a bright light on the very small number of people with regrets is helpful for the community at all. Everyone who enters transition knows the risks. All that is accomplished by an article like this is make it more difficult for the 98% of us who are successful.

  • Anonymous, 2009-03-19 14:58:27

    as one of the folks interviewed by scott for the article, i can honestly say that i don’t think it was the writer’s intention to suggest that those who "detransition" have somehow failed... i think there are some (obviously not all) in the gender community who see anyone who has not completed surgery, let alone someone who has "re-transitioned" as not being ’one’ with those who have, but in my experience, as time goes on a broader acceptance of all manner and degree of ’trans’ identity is being accepted as ’successful’. the writer doesn’t talk about ’failing’ transition (at least he didn’t talk to me that way)... rather he seemed to embrace the idea that the ultimate goal was self-realization and actualization through whatever identity seemed comfortable and appropriate (don’t mean to put words in his mouth... he certainly writes well enough on his own!) one thing i would suggest is that "re-transition" has always felt better (to me) than "detransition"... i don’t know how to "unexperience" the time i’ve spent living in a gender role different from that assigned at birth... whether you cross live for an hour or a day or a year, you are changed in both recognizing how you can feel about yourself, how you see the world, and how the world sees you. i struggled with my first ’retransition’ since it seemed like i was giving up on myself... i meditated and thought "i can’t stay here and i can’t go back... i feel stuck"... and the insight i had was, "the way out is the way you came in"... i consider my retransition as going forward through the same portal i previously passed through, but headed towards a different destination. but that’s just me... your mileage may vary! namaste

  • Anonymous, 2009-03-31 09:02:16

    Christine Daniels / Mike Penner is a friend of mine. The circumstances surrounding the incredibly public and stressful transition that occured when Mike became Christine was beyond anyones tolerance. I too am transsexual, and went through my transition about a year or so before Christine. Living full time, coming out at work, learning an entire new social structure is what we as transsexuals do. It’s called a "test" period because it isn’t right for everyone. For me it has turned out wonderfully, and I am as happy in my new life as possible. I didn’t have to go through the public transition and the intense scrutiny that my lovely friend Christine did. Had I, the result for me may have been the same. This is a difficult time for Mike / Christine, (s)he is in my prayers daily. As transmen and women we are only seeking what every human wants and needs, acceptance, happiness and peace. Christine was not allowed to experience those things not because her transition was ill advised, but because of ignorance, biggotry, and a lack of media integrety. That is the story here, not that a mind was changed. Susan

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